Some Vickers machine gun video content ideas

Inspired by the work of britishmuzzleloaders and Bloke on the Range, as well as conversations with The Armourer’s Bench, as well as the positive response to thebelt loading video, I think it’s time for a bit more video on the Vickers machine gun.

As you may be aware, the Association is currently permitted to have firing Vickers MGs as part of the collection so it’s possible to replicate quite authentically some of the original lessons from the Small Arms Training and Infantry Training manuals of the period (as per Britishmuzzleloaders).

Now, this poses a number of challenges and choices. The first choice is which period to do first: the Great War, the Second World War of the post-World War Two period? There are various compromises that have to be made and I’d welcome the potential audience’s view on which we should do. I say ‘first’ because as things develop, and if a success, I’d try to cover the whole use of the Vickers.

I’ve had to discount The Great War at the moment: We currently don’t have a Great War period Vickers. We’d have to compromise by using smooth-jacketed guns (not entirely inaccurate but clearly not the norm). Also, there wouldn’t be any lessons on the dial sight, the bar foresight or much of the later equipment that was used. The people who have agreed to be the ‘students’ don’t have Great War equipment readily available either.

The Second World War: Fine, it can be done. We have the right guns, it would cover the dial sight (from the 1941 and 1944 manuals anyway) and it would cover the majority of the learning from the war; however, we don’t currently have access to the Universal Carrier so we would compromise by using the Jeep in the guise of 7th Manchester with 52nd (Lowland) Div or in some of the airborne battalions.

The post-World War Two period. Early 1950s using the 1951 manual – all of the lessons from the Second World War had been learnt and the technical elements of the teaching were more extensive (incorporating much of what had only been used by armourers during the War). The Universal Carrier was replaced in the 1950s by the Land Rover Series 1 and we have access to this.

I’d welcome your views and then I’ll balance them with the equipment and lessons available. Please comment to let us know which you’d prefer.

The main challenge is going to be cost. As you’re aware, the VMGCRA is a not-for-profit organisation and the majority of the income it makes from the sales of DVDs, posters, books etc goes into expanding the collection or the running costs of the organisation. It has gone into purchasing firing machine guns that make this opportunity viable.

The ammunition requirements for the full firing practices from the manuals, as well as range hire are like to run to at least £2,000 for the whole scheme. I’m envisaging that it will take around two years to go through the whole of the three parts of the manuals (or the full ten week scheme for the Great War) so the costs will be spread over that period.

How much are people prepared to support this idea? This is a proper fundraising requirement as it’s not something I can support the direct expenditure on. Please comment with ideas of possible amounts and ways of raising and securing this money. I haven’t used Patreon but it’s been suggested as one option.

At the end of this, I think there will be a full DVD of the lessons that can be sent to ‘subscribers’ but I’ll never be able to guarantee when (but likely within two or three years). This would be the high definition versions of what will end up on youtube and the Vickers MG website.

The context would be a Small Arms School Corps instructor in period uniform delivering period lessons to students from the multitude of units using the Vickers MG at that time. A mix of lectures and range work. The actual lessons would be ‘reenactments’ and possibly some ‘extra’ videos with modern discussion about things and the collectables element.

I’ll be working up some of the detail in the background, including costs, and see how it comes about.

Please let me know what you think in the comments boxes below.

How loud is firing the Vickers?

It’s always intrigued me as to how noisy it is to fire the Vickers.  It’s been my view that’s it’s a ‘quiet’ gun for the No. 1 to fire as the cartridge is being initiated almost a metre away from their head.

This has a practical purpose as well, with the Association now able to do function and firing demonstrations for visits to the collection. Not only are there legal requirements about noise exposure, there’s the underlying need to ensure that we protect our hearing. To avoid disturbing our neighbours, the small-scale testing and firing demonstrations are done inside the collection building with all of the doors closed.

Using an application downloaded on my iPhone – so not scientifically accurate but a reasonable indication – I recorded the sound levels while firing.

On the first occasion, I had the phone 2 metres to the front right of the gun at around 1.5 metres off the ground and the other side of a jeep.  This meant that the sound waves were deflected slightly. The maximum sound level was 105 decibels.

On the second occasion, the phone was on my lap in the No. 1 position. It’s worth noting that I was sat on a stool so the phone was actually at the head height of a No. 1 sat on the floor. This recorded only 102 decibels so slightly quieter in this position.

Both of these levels are below the peak sound pressure limit value of 140db and can be easily reduced below the exposure action limit value of 80db for daily or weekly limits if exposed repeatedly. Using standard commercial ear defenders, that the Association has bought for visitors, does this instantly.

I have to consider the variation in production of the PPU blank so I will continue to do these recordings whenever possible and keep the information up to date on this blog. I’d also like to engage a noise professional who can do multiple readings from different places around the gun. This would require an extended piece of firing so this could be a funded piece of research, possibly suited to a student project for an environmental health degree – please contact us if that’s something you could facilitate in any way. It’ll also be good to research it when firing live.

The video below shows one of the firing events from the second occasion when I was recording. From the difference in muzzle blast, it’s possible to see some of the variation in blank as the different amount of gases expended will relate to the noise.

During British Service

From a historical perspective, the British Army has had concerns over the hearing of its troops but I’ve not been able to find any related to machine gunners.

In 1944, Army Council Instructions 732 (June) and 1420 (October) were issued. The October amendment reads:

The discharge of weapons may, in certain circumstances, cause considerable damage to the ears of personnel serving in:-

  • Gun detachments of Field, Medium and Heavy Artillery,
  • Gun detachments of Light A.A., Heavy A.A. and Coast Artillery units,
  • Gun detachments of R.A. and Infantry Anti-Tank units,
  • Infantry Squads for Protectors, Infantry Anti-Tank and Mortars,

when not wearing some form of ear protection.

It is important, therefore, that personnel whose duties take them close to these guns firing protect their ears by plugs of cotton wool.

The 1943 (provisional) manual for the PIAT actually identifies using pieces of flannelette as well as cotton wool.

There were ear protectors issued to civilians with their respirators at the start of the Second World War and it’s possible that these were formally issued later on.

There’s no mention of ear protection for machine gunners but the problem certainly existed and many machine gunners, those who used the Vickers and those since, will have experienced hearing damage from small arms firing – certainly many of the Small Arms School Corps Comrades I have met wear their hearing aids where they didn’t wear their ear protectors.


How much does a Vickers weigh?

This article isn’t an extension of my previous blog article about light, medium and heavy machine guns, although it’s something I could rant about quite a bit.

When doing an annual ‘spring clean’ of the Vickers collection this month, we had to get all of the guns off of their tripods and give them a once-over.  During this, I noticed that one of the guns felt significantly heavier than the others. It was a Mark I gun that had been converted from a Mark XXI when the Australians no longer required them in their armoured vehicles. It was a 1945 gun so one of the last few made and I thought it would be interesting to compare it with one of the earliest guns in the collection – L 1053 from May 1915.

This immediately showed a difference of 2.7 kg which equates to an increase of 20% over the 30 years of manufacture. Quite remarkable. It made me think what the differences would be on some of the other examples in the collection.

L 1053

An early Vickers Mark I manufactured at Erith in May 1915. It is extensive lightened and features some of the earliest manufacturing techniques. They include the ‘five-arch’ top cover and side plates with extensive machining. This was very labour intensive and the machining reduces over the period of the Great War as production speeds had to increase to ensure that the needs of the army could be met regarding the numbers of machine guns in service. It was also made with the earliest type of fluted water-jacket.

Weight: 13.68 kg.

One of the most noticeable accessories affecting the man-carry of the gun was the Sangster Auxiliary Mounting. It meant the gun could be used without the Mark IV tripod in an emergency. It was left on the gun for the majority of the time as it wasn’t easily removed.

Weight: 17.21 kg (including Sangster Mount).

B 2296

An Australian-made Vickers originally built as a Mark XXI but then converted, in 1945, to a standard Mark I. This meant that the original features of the Mark XXI, which included different filler plugs at the rear of the water-jacket and the pistol grip removed and replaced with a cross-piece. All the guns of this period feature the dial sight bracket as part of the standard equipment.

All of the Australian guns were made with very simply produced components that allowed for mass production. They were made with the smooth water-jacket.

Weight: 16.36 kg.


Another Australian-made gun but this one was a Mark I made in 1939/40. Other than conversation elements from the Mark XXI, it is the same as B 2296.

At the time of weighing, it was fitted with the water-jacket cover and the flash eliminator.

Weight: 17.53 kg (including jacket cover and flash eliminator).

H 5113

This example in the collection was built at the end of the Great War, in 1918, as is one of the early examples of a ‘smooth’ water-jacket. It isn’t, in fact, smooth as some excess weight was machined from the water-jacket, presumably by lathe.

All other components are, visually, the same as later examples and the early machined components are not used at all.

Despite being a Great War Mark I gun, it is fitted with accessories as used in the Second World War. It is used as such for displays with the VMGCRA.

Weight: 16.65 kg (including jacket cover and flash eliminator).

V 6750

The example of a Mark I gun was made at Vickers-Armstrongs in Crayford. It was made in 1943/44 and is quite crudely finished compared to the other examples shown here.

It has undergone some repairs to the crosspiece as it’s believed that this example was in use with airborne forces and has been parachuted from an aircraft.

It is fitted with the water-jacket cover and flash eliminator.

Weight: 17.08 kg (including jacket cover and flash eliminator).


The variations in weight are affected by the accessories but, given the fact that similar accessories are in use on several of the examples, it doesn’t have a significant influence.

Another factor to consider is that all of these examples are deactivated and this involves some metal being removed and some being added. There may be some variations because of the different people carrying out the deactivation work but unlikely to be significant.

And of course, none of these are filled with any water so that has to be added when considering the weights that the machine gunners had to carry – in this case the No. 2 of the machine gun team.

The table below is a summary of the differences between the different guns, sorted by date of manufacture from left to right and top to bottom.

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Whilst B 2296 is shown as lightest of the smooth water-jacket examples, it’s possible that this was distorted by the lack of water-jacket cover and flash eliminator.

It’s worth adding that the 1914 handbook for the Vickers gives the empty weight as 28 1/2 lb (12.9 kg) so 0.8 kg from the tested weight. It’s more interesting that the 1945 data summary for the Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers (armourers) shows that the weight of the gun is 30 lb when empty. This is 13.6 kg in metric weight and clearly reflects the earlier manufactured guns, not the later. It would clearly come as a surprise to the soldiers who then went on to carry the gun into action.


1919 Peace Celebrations

Well I couldn’t figure out where this fits on the Vickers website at the moment so I thought I’d go ahead and write a blog article about it instead.

This document was given to the Association last year to digitise and add to the archive as it was seen as something quite important given the Great War centenary that is coming to an end. This reminds us that 1919 was not only when peace was celebrated but much of the Army was still in service and would be waiting to come home for some time.

In summary, it’s the full staff orders for the Peace Celebration parade that was held on 19th July 1919. There are three sections:

  1. Parade State, covering who was involved and how many of them, which for my purposes includes the men of the Machine Gun Corps.
  2. Ceremonial Orders, including the order of march, maps and who was to do what and when. There was a particular concern about how to have the march disperse after the salute as they didn’t want everyone ending up in one place.
  3. Administrative Orders, covering all of the supplies and rations that were needed to house this many soldiers, sailors and airmen from around the world. There are sections on the different types of rations that were needed for the international contingents. It also includes the maps of Kensington Gardens showing how it was turned into a camp.

It’s a really interesting document to go through and it would be great if something similar would take place in 2019 to commemorate our celebration of peace.

It’s available to download as a low-resolution PDF by clicking on the cover below or here. I’ve gone through it and it is readable in most places – sometimes it’s better to zoom out than in. I’ve kept it low-resolution to keep the file size down but the high resolution version can be purchased using the button at the bottom of the page.

Page_001Some sample pages below.


High resolution document: 1919 Victory Peace Celebrations

A high-resolution version of the download. It will be transferred using wetransfer using the purchasing email address. It's 91.9 MB.


What weighs a lot but isn’t Heavy?

Answer:  A Vickers Machine Gun.

There’s been some posts recently that have made me think about writing this post on nomenclature surrounding the Vickers Machine Gun.  It’s worth emphasising that this is all the post is about.  I’ll try and explain what the Vickers was called and when.  This is from a British and Commonwealth perspective but also with a flavour of the marketing that Vickers Ltd added to it as well.

It might help with the study of other weapons but I can’t guarantee that as I can only be confident in how the Vickers was named because of the sources I have.

There have been many different interpretations and I’m going to quote some of those here.  They might cover more than just the Vickers so I’ll include the images of the pages from the sources as well.

Textbook of Small Arms, 1929

This is scientific analysis of small arms and was the War Office’s attempt at documenting all relevant information into a single reference volume.  As well as the details of the balistics and characteristics of weapons, it also provides some definitions:

The dividing lines cannot be considered inviolable, but generally the following four groups will suffice to include them all:-

  1. Heavy machine guns – of a calibre above the average normal calibre for a rifle, say, 0.5 inch and upwards, and of necessity used with a stable mounting.
  2. Machine guns proper – of normal rifle calibre and by reason of their tactical employment primarily designed for use with a stable mounting, such as the Mark IV tripod of the British Service.
  3. Light machine guns – of normal rifle calibre, primarily designed for use with some form of light tripod or rest, and easily portable with the tripod of rest by a single man.
  4. Automatic rifles – of normal rifle calibre or less, and primarily designed for use without any form of mounting or rest.

Within these definitions, the Vickers in .303-inch falls into the ‘Machine guns proper’ category whilst the .5-inch falls into the ‘Heavy machine guns’ category.

Small Arms Committee

The definition comes up a couple of times in the Small Arms Committee (SAC) Minutes during the 1930s when ‘new’ weapons were coming along and somebody needed to decide what things would be called and where weapons fitted in.  Given the absence of anybody else to do it, the SAC stepped in and, somewhat reluctantly it would appear, decided the following.

Minute 1446, 27 March 1935.

Small Arms Committee Minute 1446
Small Arms Committee Minute 1446

3. A light machine gun is a continuous fire weapon which is normally fired from the shoulder with the aid of a rest. Owing to its weight it cannot fulful all the requirements of a personal arm. For this reason, and because of the amount of ammunition required fore its functioning, an extra man or men are required for protection and supply.

4. A heavy machine gun is a weapon capable of prolonged continuous fire which by the aid of a suitable mounting and instruments give sustained accuracy.

NOTE.- The calibre charge and bullet used vary according to the purpose for which the weapon is designed.

No mention of a Medium Machine Gun! Therefore, the Vickers must fall into the Heavy category here.

Minute 1742, 9 February 1938

Small Arms Committee Meeting, Minute 1742
Small Arms Committee Minute 1742

(g) A Light Machine Gun is an automatic fire weapon, normally fired from the shoulder with the aid of a rest.

(h) A Medium Machine Gun is an automatic fire weapon which is capable of producing a large volume of fire for long periods. It is fired from a mounting.

(i) A Heavy Machine Gun is an automatic fire weapon specially designed to fire ammunition for the penetration of armour or for use against aircraft.

In this case, the introduction of the term Medium would now encompass the Vickers in .303-inch but the .5-inch variants would be Heavy.

Academic texts

As well as the official texts, there are ‘academic’ texts on small arms that help.

Low, A.M (1953) Musket to Machine-Gun, London: Hutchinson & Co (Publishers) Ltd.

We now come to the medium and heavy machine-guns, which differ only in respect of their calibre or weight, the heavy machine-gun being one using ammunition larger than that of a rifle; in the case of the British machine-guns this is of .50 calibre or more.  Some of the light machine-guns can be fired from the shoulder or with an improvised rest. The essence of a medium or heavy machine-gun is a fixed mounting.

Hobart, F.W.A (1971) Pictorial History of the Machine Gun. London: Ian Allan.

The Medium Machine Gun is a Company of Battalion support weapon and the main requirement is accurate sustained fire…

The General Purpose Machine Gun is a compromise…

The Heavy Machine Gun is a weapon of .5in calibre up to 30mm. It is used as an anti-aircraft gun, anti-armoured personnel carrier gun and in many armoured fighting vehicles.

Barker, A. (1952) Principles of Small Arms. Aldershot: Gale & Polden Limited

5. Medium Machine Guns

Modern medium machine guns are automatic weapons capable of uninterrupted fire for a long time with long bursts. Due to the presence of a stable mount, the accuracy of fire is good even at long ranges.

6. Heavy Machine Guns

With the development of armour and protections, the need arose for an increase in the power and penetrative effects of machine guns. One of the most natural and simple methods of attaining this was the adoption of larger calibre weapons.

These first appears as anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons. In construction they differ little from the machine guns of ordinary small-arms calibre, except for weight and dimensions.

Allen, W G B (1953) Pistols Rifles and Machine Guns. Liverpool: English Universities Press Ltd.

Heavy machine guns are considered as having calibres of 1/2 inch or more.

These texts all support the notion that it is the calibre of the weapon that determines whether it is a medium- or heavy-machine gun.

Manuals and training material

Alongside the introduction of the Vickers, various commercial and official publications have existed and they must identify the weapons to which they refer.

Interestingly, this includes references to the Vickers as the Light Model in contrast to the Maxim and a reference to it’s weight.

But for most of its service, the Vickers was merely referred to as the .303-inch Vickers Gun or .303-inch Machine Gun.  The ‘capability’ was referred to as ‘Medium Machine Guns’ during the Second World War and then on the machine gun manuals themselves from 1951.


Considering the official use of the Vickers, and the definitions that exist, it would appear that the .303-inch Vickers has been referred to as a light, medium and heavy machine gun during its service; however, the ‘heavy’ reference appear for only three years from 1935 to 1938 and seems to have been in the absence of a medium category.  It does not appear in any other literature that was printed either side of this period, when the Vickers is merely referred to as the .303-inch Machine Gun.

It’s my conclusion that the .303-inch Vickers is a medium machine gun and the .5-inch is a heavy machine gun, following the classification based on calibres and use rather than actual weight.